Utah Phillips' Stories, Songs, and Poems (Part 1) transcribed by James Han * What I do is I collect stories. I seek out the elders and garner stories and songs and poems. Characterized critically as: "Oh, that's that Sixties stuff." Like somebody doing old rock-and-roll would be doing "Fifties stuff." Or, "This is the Nineties, you know." I have a good friend in the East. A good singer, and a good folksinger, a good song collector, who comes and listens to my shows and says, "You sing a lot about the past. You always sing about the past; you can't live in the past, you know." And I say to him, "I can go outside and pick up a rock that's older than the oldest song you know and bring it back here and drop it on your foot." Now, the past didn't go anywhere, did it? It's right here, right now - I always thought that anybody who told me I couldn't live in the past was trying to get me to forget something that if I remembered it would get 'em in serious trouble. No, it's not that - that "that's Fifties, Sixties, Seventies, Nineties" - that whole idea of decade packages. Things don't happen that way... No, that, that packaging of time is a journalistic convenience that they use to trivialize and to dismiss important events and important ideas. I defy that. Time is an enormous, long river, and I'm standing in it, just as you're standing in it. My elders are the tributaries, and everything they thought and every struggle they went through and everything they gave their lives to, and every song they created, and every poem that they laid down flows down to me - and if I take the time to ask, and if I take the time to see, and if I take the time to reach out, I can build that bridge between my world and theirs. I can reach down into that river and take out what I need to get through this world. * speaking while strumming a guitar onstage: At the onset, those of you who may have heard me should probably turn to those who may have not and calmly reassure them that this is in fact what happens when I sit onstage. Not much more. This is about it. You'll notice no sudden or dramatic change in neither my instrumental or vocal attack, as it were. This is nonetheless an American folk song. Did you recognize it as such? Of course you would, you're folkies. You don't hear 'em much anymore, don't hear 'em on your AM radio, huh? Folksingers hardly ever sing 'em. That's cause they're boring. Folk music is boring. "Black fall, the die doe, blow ye winds high ho," hell, that's boring, but! I am a folksinger; this is a folk music organization; you are ostensibly the folk, nest pas? That means we own this song together, right? We have thereby incurred certain social obligations which we will faithfully discharge, right? We're gonna sing this damn song together, boring or not! * I'm still in Nevada City, California, up there in the foodhills of the Sierra. Call 'em foodhills cause it's spelled like that. Oh, the old gold mining town - I've talked to some of you about that - twenty-seven hundred people there, one of the forty-niners' towns. And I also told you about the only social life in town being the, the Books of Harmony New Age Bookstore, where people go down in the evening and channel dolphins, and Martians - it's a new-age chronosynclastic infindibulum, or epicenter, as it were, Nevada City, California. Well, I was gone for a bit on one of the trips since I saw you last and I got back, and my wife had bought the bookstore. Um, so I am now ostensibly part proprietor of a new-age bookstore in Nevada City, California, hehehehe, can you picture that? Whee! Well, and I'm open to all those things. If you live in California, you've got to be open; if you're not they pry you open. And I read as much as I can cause they got all the new men's literature in there. Most of my men friends belong to men's - Robert Bly's - drumming circles. Do they do that here? Healthy! They're out in the, in the wilderness, caterwauling and flailing away at those things, and dragging their scrotums through the underbrush. It's healthy, I suppose... We got narps, you got narps around here? New-age rural professionals? Out cruising the backroads in their old green carryalls with their car stereos, blaring meditation music out into the wilderness. It's a conscience. Whole place lightning-struck by the peripatetic ruminations of the Tibetan ruling class in exile, ahh. Lot of Buddhists around there. Meanwhile this very minute, old Jesse McVay the welldigger - no one knows how old he is, lived in that county all of his life - is sitting at the bar of the national hotel this very minute, looking at the freaks out in the street, and muttering under his breath: "Now matter how new-age you get, old age gonna kick your ass." * We never traveled together at all, you know, since the kids been little they've always known that I vanished from their lives periodically. And they never really had any idea of what it is that I do. What do I do? If I don't know why should they? Yeah, Brandon, the fourteen-year-old, he got to travel with me, during the summer. But we got a chance to talk to each other as adults, you know, as - well - as adults, instead of just father and son. We left Boston - we were headed up to the Left Bank Cafe in Blue Hill, Maine - and Brandon, just above Marble Head, turned to me and he said, "How did you get to be like that?" It's a fair question. I knew what he meant, but he didn't have all the language to say exactly what he meant - what he meant to say was: "Why is it that you are fundamentally alienated from the entire institutional structure of society?" And I said, "Well, I've never been asked that, you know. Now don't listen to the radio and don't talk to me for half an hour while I think about it." So we drove and talked - we were on Highway 1 because it was pretty and close to the water. Got up toward the Maine border and there was a picnic area, off to the side some picnic tables. It was a bright, clear day. So I pulled into their parking lot; we sat down at the picnic tables, and I said, "Now, sit down, I want to tell you a story, cause I've thought about it." So I sat down and said, "You know, I was over in Korea." And he said, "Yeah, I've always wondered about that, did you shoot anybody?" And I said, as honestly as I could, "I don't know. But that's not the story," I said, this is what I was telling him: I was up at Kumori Gap there by the Imjin River. There were about seventy-five thousand Chinese soldiers on the other side and they all wanted me out of there, with every righteous reason that you could think of. I had long since figured out that I was the wrong person in the wrong place at the wrong time for the most specious of reasons. But there I was - my clothing was rotting on my body, every exotic mold in the world was attacking my clothing and my person, my boots had big holes in them from the rot. I wanted to swim in the Imjin River, and get that feeling of death, that feeling of rot off of me. The Chinese soldiers were on the other side; they were swimming, they were having a wonderful time. But there was a rule, a regulation against swimming in the Imjin River. I thought that was foolish, but then a young Korean fellow - cartworked for us as a carpenter - by the name of Young Shik Han. All of his family had been killed off in the war. Well, he said to me in what English he had, "You know, when we get married here, the young married couple moves in with the elders, they move in with the grandparents. But there's nothing growing, everything's been destroyed. There's no food. So [when] the first baby's born, the oldest, the old man, goes out with a jug of water and a blanket and sits on the bank of the Imjin River and waits to die. He sits there until he dies, and then will roll down the bank and into the river, and his body will be carried out to the sea. And we don't want you to swim in the Imjin River because our elders are floating out to sea." That's when it began to crumble for me, you know. That's when I, well, I ran away, and not just from that, I ran away from the blueprint for self- destruction I had been handed as a man, for violence in excess. For sexual excess, for racial excess. We had a commanding officer, who said of the G.I. babies fathered by G.I.'s and Korean mothers that the Korean government wouldn't care for so they were in these orphanages, and he said: "Well, as sad as that is, someday this'll really help the Korean people cause it'll raise the intelligence level." That's what we were dealing with, you know. So I ran away. I ran down to Seoul City, down toward Askom. Not to the Army. I ran away to a place called the Korea House. It was a Korean civilians' [group] reaching out to G.I.'s to give them some better vision of who they were than what we were getting up at the divisions. And they hid me for three weeks. Late one night - I didn't have any clothes that would fit me - late one night, it was a stormy, stormy night, the rain falling in sheets, I could go out, cause they figured no one would see me. We walked through the mud and the rain - Seoul City was devastated. And they took me to a concert at the Aiwa Women's University. Large auditorium with shell holes in the ceiling and the rain pouring through the holes, and clyde lights on the stage hooked up to car batteries. This wasn't the USO, this was the Korean Students' Association. The person that they invited to sing - I was the only white person there - the person that they invited to sing was Marian Anderson, great black operatic soprano who had been on tour in Japan, you see. There she was, singing "Oh Freedom" and "Nobody Knows the Trouble I've Seen." And I watched her through the rain coming through the ceiling and thought back to Salt Lake [City]. My father, Sid, who ran the Capitol Theatre - it was a movie house but it had been an old vaudeville house and he wanted to bring back live performances back to the Capitol - in 1948 he invited Marian Anderson to comed and sing there. I remembered we went to the, to the train station to pick her up and took her to the biggest hotel in town, The Hotel Utah, but they wouldn't let her stay there, because she was black. And I remembered my father's humiliation and her humiliation, as I saw her singing in there, through the rain. And I realized right then, I said, "Brandon, right then I knew that it was all wrong, and it all had to change. And that that change had to start with me." * I learned in Korea that I would never again in my life abdicate to somebody else my right and my ability to decide who the enemy is. Got back from Korea; I was so mad at what I'd seen and done I wasn't sure I could ever live in the country again. I got on the freight trains up in Everett, north of Seattle, and kind of cruised the country for two years makin' up songs, but I was drunk most of the time and forgot most of those. I'd heard that there was a house in Salt Lake City by the roper yards... where there was a clothing barrel and free food. So I, I got off the train there. I was headed for Salt Lake anyway. I found that house right where they said it was, but most of all I found this, this wiry old man, sixty-nine years old. Tougher'n nails, heart of gold, fella by the name of Ammon Hennessy. Anybody know that name? Ammon Hennessy? One of Dorothy Day's people, the Catholic workers, during the Thirties they started houses of hospitality all over the country; there're about eighty of 'em now. Ammon Hennessy was one of those; he'd come west to start this house I'd found called The Joe Hill House of Hospitality. Ammon Hennessy was a Catholic anarchist, pacifist, draft-dodger of two World Wars, tax refuser, vegetarian, one-man revolution in America - I think that about covers it. First thing he said, after he got to know me, he said: "You know you love the country. You love it. You come in and out of town on those trains singin' songs about different places and beautiful people. You know you love the country; you just can't stand the government. Get it straight." He quoted Mark Twain to me: "Loyalty to the country always; loyalty to the government when it deserves it." It was an essential distinction I had been neglecting. And then he had to reach out and grapple with the violence, but he did that with all the people around him. These second World War vets, you know, on medical disabilities and all drunked up; the house was filled with violence, which Ammon, as a pacifist, dealt with - every moment, every day of his life. He said, "You got to be a pacifist." I said, "Why?" He said, "It'll save your life." And my behavior was very violent then. I said, "What is it?" And he said, "Well I can't give you a book by Gandhi - you wouldn't understand it. I can't give you a list of rules that if you sign it you're a pacifist." He said, "You look at it like booze. You know, alcoholism will kill somebody, until they finally get the courage to sit in a circle of people like that and put their hand up in the air and say, 'Hi, my name's Utah, I'm an alcoholic.' And then you can begin to deal with the behavior, you see, and have the people define it for you whose lives you've destroyed." He said, "It's the same with violence. You know, an alcoholic, they can be dry for twenty years; they're never gonna sit in that circle and put their hand up and say, 'Well, I'm not alcoholic anymore' - no, they're still gonna put their hand up and say, 'Hi, my name's Utah, I'm an alcoholic.' It's the same with violence. You gotta be able to put your hand in the air and acknowledge your capacity for violence, and then deal with the behavior, and have the people whose lives you messed with define that behavior for you, you see. And it's not gonna go away - you're gonna be dealing with it every moment in every situation for the rest of your life." I said, "Okay, I'll try that," and Ammon said "It's not enough!" I said: "Oh." He said, "You were born a white man in mid-twentieth century industrial America. You came into the world armed to the teeth with an arsenal of weapons. The weapons of privilege, racial privilege, sexual privilege, economic privilege. You wanna be a pacifist, it's not just giving up guns and knives and clubs and fists and angry words, but giving up the weapons of privilege, and going into the world completely disarmed. Try that." That old man has been gone now twenty years, and I'm still at it. But I figure if there's a worthwhile struggle in my own life, that, that's probably the one. Think about it. I'd always wanted to write a song for that old man. He never wanted one about him - he's that way - but something mulched up out of his thought, his anarchist thought. Anarchist in the best sense of the word. Oh so many times he stood up in front of Federal District Judge Ritter, that old fart, and he'd be picked up for picketing illegally, and he never plead innocent or guilty - he plead anarchy. And Ritter'd say, "What's an anarchist, Hennessy?" and Ammon would say, "Why an anarchist is anybody who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do." Kind of a fundamentalist anarchist, huh? And Ritter'd say, "But Ammon, you broke the law, what about that?" and Ammon'd say, "Oh, Judge, your damn laws the good people don't need 'em and the bad people don't obey 'em so what use are they?" Well I lived there for eight years, and I watched him, really watched him, and I discovered watching him that anarchy is not a noun, but an adjective. It describes the tension between moral autonomy and political authority, especially in the area of combinations, whether they're going to be voluntary or coercive. The most destructive, coercive combinations are arrived at through force. Like Ammon said, "Force is the weapon of the weak." * Mark Twain said, "Those of you who are inclined to worry have the widest selection in history." Why complain? Try to do something about it - you know, it's [been] goin' on nine months now, since I decided that I was gonna declare that I am a candidate for the presidency of the United States. Oh yes, I'm going to run. Shopped around for a party. Well, I looked at the Republicans. Decided talking to a conservative is like talking to your refridgerator. You know, the light goes on, the light goes off, it's not gonna do anything that isn't built into it. But I'm gonna talk to a conservative any more than I talk to my damn refridgerator. Working for the Democratic party, now, that's kind of like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. So I created my own party: it's called the Sloth and Indolence Party. I'm running as an anarchist candidate in the best sense of that word. I've studied the presidency carefully. I have seen that our best presidents were the do- nothing presidents: Millard Fillmore, Warren G. Harding. When you have a president who does things we are all in serious trouble. If he does anything at all: if he gets up at night to go to the bathroom, somehow, mystically, trouble will ensue. I guarantee that if I am elected, I will take over the White House, hang out, shoot pool, scratch my ass, and not do a damn thing. Which is to say: if you want something done, don't come to me do it for you, you gotta get together and figure out how to do it yourselves. Is that a deal? * That's when [Fry Pan Jack] told me - you know, he'd been tramping since 1927 - he said, "I told myself in '27, if I cannot dictate the conditions of my labor, I will henceforth cease to work." Hah! You don't have to go to college to figure these things out, no sir! He said, "I learned when I was young that the only true life I had was the life of my brain. But if it's true the only real life I have is the life of my brain, what sense does it make to hand that brain to somebody for eight hours a day for their particular use on the presumption that at the end of the day they will give it back in an unmutilated condition?" Fat chance! He was old enough to remember the sleigh rods under the boxcars, riding the rods. Fry Pan Jack; the two bums. the bum on the rods is hunted down as an enemy of mankind the other is driven around to his club, is fatted, wined, and dined and they who curse the bum on the rods as the essence of all that's bad will greet the other with a winning smile and extend the hand so glad the bum on the rods is a social flea who gets an occasional bite the bum on the plush is a social leech, bloodsucking day and night the bum on the rods is a load so light that his weight we scarcely feel but it takes the labor of dozens of folks to furnish the other a meal as long as we sanction the bum on the plush, the other will always be there but rid ourselves of the bum on the plush, and the other will disappear and make an intelligent, organized kick: get rid of the wasted crush don't worry about the bum on the rods - get rid of the bum on the plush * We the American people are enormously wealthy. You know that? Who owns all of those trees in the national forest? This is not a rhetorical question. We do! Who owns all of that offshore oil you read about in the newspaper, huh? We do! Who owns all of those minerals under the federal land? We do! It's public property, you know. But we elect people to go to Washington - who are those assholes? What have we gotten ourselves into now? They go to Washington, they lease off what we own - public property - to private companies, to sell us back our own stuff for the sake of a greasy buck! That's dumb! * I brought my daughter, Morrigan Bell - she was eleven years old - I brought her back East during the summer. We traveled around a good bit here and there, and again it was the sort of thing where she had never traveled with me at all. It was quite different; she's quiet - lighthearted, but she doesn't need to be entertained all the time, she can really take care of herself. I wanted her to particularly meet her godmother, Dorothea Brownell, in Saratoga Springs; who she and Harriet her sister, elegant Victorian women, befriended me many years ago in Saratoga and always gave me a place to stay. They were antiquarians of the first order; antique women of the first order. And it was delightful going to Greenwich, Connecticutt, while Dorothea was in the country, because they had to give up the big house when Harriet died. [Was] looking out the window seeing Dorothea who was eighty-three and Morrigan my daughter on the bench there, and watched Dorothea start teaching her how to make lace. She's a wonderful artist and makes beautiful lace. Well, Dorothea's in the hospital right now; I'm gonna visit her on Wednesday before I go over to Amherst, the pioneer valley. A fine, fine teacher. Now you see, I'm a, I'm a constant source of embarrassment to my daughter. Why are teenage kids so conservative? I don't do that to them; we don't do that to them, do we? I mean, how? Where? What? I act out a lot, see, and I mortify her in public places, and I don't mean to but she sure gets mad at me. I carry things around with me to kind of rag people, um, well let's see. God, well, I wouldn't leave home without my cockroach. I always have my roach with me. There's a rubber cockroach; it's a tramp roach, Fry Pan Jack calls that a tramp roach. He gave that to me. He says, "You know, if you're poor, and you haven't got any money, you're out on the street and you're hungry, you, you go into a restaurant with this, and you put it in the bottom of a bowl of soup, and then you eat down to it and say: 'Eccch! What's that?' and you storm out, and you say, 'I'm not gonna pay for that!' and you leave." Save you a lot of money! That little jewel'll save you a lot of money! Little feelers sticking out the side of a sandwich, god, you say, eat half of it, say, "Look at that!" Leave it! In the hands of an unscrupulous child, can you imagine what you could do with that in the lunchroom at your school? You could put that in your, in your jello mold, god, you know, and some monitor or teacher's gonna come by and say, "Augh! Look at that! What is that?" And you look at it and say: "Oh, it's a cockroach! Shlurrrp!" You've got to mess with people, day and night, you have to mess with people! You gotta mess with 'em! They just kind of sink into a cryonic torpor and they're never seen again, god! I have my dice for people I don't like - gypsy fortune-telling dice. I like everybody, those people who know me know I try to get along with everybody, you know, but over the summer I had some fairly serious heart problems, so I decided that I couldn't afford to like everybody anymore, you know? I went on a low social cholesterol diet. No more fatheads. And so, I run into one of 'em - somebody I don't like - and say, "I'm gonna tell your fortune with these gypsy fortune-telling dice," and I roll the dice, and they're blank. There's no spots on 'em. And say, "God, I hate to tell you this, but you don't have any fortune. No future. That's it for you. Hehehe!" We were in the Grand Union, [a] supermarket, getting some food, over by Greenwich or Cambridge, one or the other, with old Dorothea Brownell, Morrigan's godmother - now this is education! A little kid was fussing at the checkout counter, stuck in one of those baskets - it's all the lights in those places, make kids crazy, we all know that, don't we? Well, and the kid was fussy, and the parents were ragging on the kid, and... I get them to laugh, and the parents laugh, and the checkout person laughs. Morrigan starts punching me in the side, and said - yelling at me! - she said, "Why can't you be normal?" And old Miss Brownell rapped Morrigan on her shin - rudely - with her cane, and said: "He is normal - what you meant to say is 'average.'" That's education! * I was invited to the State Young Writers' Conference out at Cheney, which was a Eastern Washington university. And I didn't want to embarrass my son, you know, and I was gonna behave myself cause I had to live there then - it was a chore. But I got on the stage - it was an enormous auditorium; there were twenty-seven hundred young faces out there, none of them with any prospects anybody could detect - and off to the side of the stage was the suit-and-tie crowd of people from the school district and the principals, and the, the main speaker following me was from the Chamber of Commerce. Well something inside of me snapped. And I got to the microphone, and I looked out over that multitude of faces and I said something to the effect of: "You're about to be told one more time that you're America's most valuable natural resource. Have you seen what they do to valuable natural resources? Have you seen them strip mine? Have you seen a clear-cut in a forest? Have you seen a polluted river? Don't ever let them call you a valuable natural resource! They're gonna strip mine your soul! They're gonna clear-cut your best thoughts for the sake of profit, unless you learn to resist, cause the profit system follows the path of least resistance, and following the path of least resistance is what makes the river crooked! Hmph!" Well there was great gnashing of teeth and rending of garments - mine. I was borne to the door, screaming epithets over my shoulder, something to the effect of: "Make a break for it, kids!" "Flee to the wilderness!" The one within, if you can find it. Well, I wrote them a nice letter though, as I oozed out of the state, headed for Nevada City. I sent it to their little literary magazine. I respect kids. I love especially little kids. Little kids are assholes. But they're their own assholes, see, it's when they, when you grow up and become somebody else's asshole we're all in trouble, you know, like bankers or B-52 pilots and such. * Ask a kid: "Who are your heroes?" Chances are they'll give you the names of made-up people. Huh? He-Man. Barbie. I don't understand it about heroes, it really bothers- what happened to the time when heroes were flesh-and-blood people? You know, people like Emma Goldman or Elizabeth Gurley Flynn or Mother Jones or Big Bill Heywood or Babe Ruth, Joe DiMaggio, great boxers, you know, Joe Lewis. Grandparents! What's wrong with your grandparents being heroes? See, my mother, she worked for the CIO [Congress of Industrial Organizations] as a labor organizer, and she made sure that we had appropriate heroes, flesh- and-blood people. She would clips columns out of The Cleveland Plain Dealer, a good labor paper in its day, [and] paste 'em in scrapbooks. We could take it to school to share with our kids at the equivalent of show-and-tell. Scrapbooks were mainly filled with clippings about bank robbers. She seemed to favor bank robbers. Called them class heroes. Didn't understand at the time what she meant - I do now. * I was in Chicago, several years ago. I was invited to play at a nightclub. At a nightclub? Can you imagine that? Can you see me in a nightclub? It was the old Quiet Knight upon Belmont Street, across from Cliff Raven's Tattoo Parlor. Well, I went up there at three o'clock in the afternoon to The Quiet Knight cause I was scared. Fought my way past the guard dogs, got up there. The janitor had taken the garbage out - he was in the big hall by himself, just sitting in the, just under the, just a nightlight up on the stage, an older man - he was sitting there playing The Moonlight Sonata, beautifully, quietly. I stood in the shadows; he didn't know I was there. Great shock of white hair standing back on his head, deeply incised lines on his face. Looked closely and saw he was just playing with the one hand - the other was a stump off to about here. Well he began to pound the piano with the one good hand and in a rumbling baritone voice, started to sing "Fryheight." "Freedom." The song of the Tioman [?] Brigade during the Spanish Civil War. The war that if we'd gotten involved in it there might not have been a second World War. He sang "Los Quatros Generales," "The Horama Valley," "White Cliffs of Gandeza." Powerful music of the Spanish Civil War. Well that was Eddie Belchowski. Eddie Belchowski had been a concert pianist, brilliant pianist, as a young man, but he went, joined the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, and went to Spain to fight against Franco of the fascists. Crossing the Ebro he got his arm blown off. Well they put him in the field hospital on morphine, which turned him into a junkie for the next thirty years of his life. He haunted the alleys of Chicago a mad poet, derelict, drug addict, alcoholic. He began to put himself back together. Got the job at the Quiet Knight so he could practice the piano; Richard Harding was good about that. And not just to learn songs of the Civil War, but he learned Haydn's and Lizst's left-hand variations, he could play the Bach Shacon [?] with one hand, and beautifully. His daughter Reina just sent me recordings, tapes that he made for her I'd never heard; he could play, oh, a whole classical repertoire on the piano, with one hand. Chopin, that was his favorite. Well, he taught me powerful things about endurance, about holding on. I left Chicago; week later I got a call - said Eddie Belchowski had died. So I sat down and made him up a death song. Week later I got a call from Eddie. First thing I asked him was, "Hey Ed, where're you callin' from?" Well, he said he was calling from Chicago! I said, "Hell, dead, or in Chicago, it's all the same to me, fella." And a week after that I was at the Quiet Knight sitting on a barstool with Eddie Belchowski himself sitting across from me: had us a chance to sing him his death song. He was amused. Well it was just a while ago that Ed Belchowski at the age of seventy-four was found on the subway tracks in Chicago. They just had a museum show of his art and poetry and music, and recollections from old comrades all over the country, and there I sang his death song. * God, what some people have on their front lawns nowadays. I know a family of flamingos living in L.A. that have a plastic Italian on their front lawn. * I hate chickens. One more chicken I eat is one less chicken I have to share my oxygen with. I limit my bigotry to chickens, racists, homophobes, and the French.